unschooling with Latin, the progym, and maybe even navigation?
Aug 25th, 2007 by willa
I noticed that Ragamuffin Rosie has me down as a Latin-centered homeschooler, and it probably describes what we do better than anything else would, but it made me smile because though we do put Latin close to the center of our curriculum, we rarely spend more than twenty minutes a day on it. In fact, we rarely spend more than twenty minutes a day on any formal academic subject.
Rosie wrote a fascinating post about how she came to homeschool. I started one of my own, but got blogged, hmm, bogged down in detail and I didn’t think it was interesting enough to post… maybe someday.
But one thing that came to mind when I was writing it was my experience in an alternative “middle school”. When I was going into seventh grade, my parents couldn’t visualize me attending a conventional large middle school, and we visited several alternatives, including a Christian school run on a sort of A Beka model. This one my parents ruled out decisively; but we liked one that was just in its inception year, and that still is apparently operating more than thirty years later.
IT was designed as an “open” school, similar to some of the ones that come up occasionally in the early pages of the Growing Without School magazine. I assume that it was soon realized what an undertaking it was to run a democratic free school, or perhaps the government wouldn’t allow it to be completely “open”, because after about a semester the structure of the classes seemed to get considerably more conventional. (I attended for 3 years, and then went to a sort of Hogwarts-type British school in Switzerland, except that we had Double Chemistry and Biology rather than Double Potions and Care of Magical Animals).
What I was REALLY going to say though was that at this free-style alternative school, I still remember the content of classes I chose to take in seventh grade, and these were: Logic, Latin, Children’s Lit, and Greek Mythology. Oh yeah, and I took Algebra and embroidery too. I think it was ironic that with a “free” environment and a wide range of options, so many of my choices were so classically focused. I HAD to take some sort of boring Health class about safe birth control choices and physiological adolescent functions, but I don’t count that as a choice.
That’s all… lots of lead-up for a very short bit of biographical information.
What made me start thinking about this a bit more, besides Rose’s post, was this Real Learning thread on unschooling. I’m linking to it because I thought the whole thread was interesting, but at some point I wrote on there:
I am much more unschooly in method than I am in goals or content. To me, real education is something like classical and CM — I may use unschooly ways to reach those goals, and I do think “real life” and informal playing and activity lays an important foundation for learning, but I can’t say “as long as they’re reading” or “as long as they’re learning” when they’re sitting around reading junky books or watching edutainment TV.
Then after contributing to a couple more threads on Latin and the progymnasmata, I realized that I am in my happy zone when I’m talking about things like that. I moderate and co-moderate a couple of classical e-groups, and I have realized for a long time that most of the members are way more structured than I am in their homeschooling approach — structured meaning that they spend more time focusing on formal academics, assume that learning comes from teaching, and are achievement-motivated in a way I am not. Many people do this very effectively, but it does not work for me, and it was helpful for me to realize that you could play it otherwise and still do all right.
On the other hand, some of the more “unschooly” curriculum choices leave me cold. Again, it’s not a critique of other ways of unschooling. It is just a fact, that I’m writing down because I realized it. Furthermore, “learning from life” or “community-based learning” has always given me a feeling of anxiety, not liberation, even though I realize this is partly a weakness in myself. I would love to homeschool like David Albert does, in theory, but in practice it would not suit me or my kids or where and how we happen to be living. Our approach is going to look different, because we are different.
On my day-to-day learning notes blog, Schola et Studium, where I’m keeping track of our rather minimal academic endeavours, I put Prince Caspian’s curriculum, which isn’t exactly like what goes on at our house either, but which I also rather admire:
“He learned sword-fighting and riding, swimming and diving, how to shoot with the bow and play on the recorder and the theorbo, …. besides Cosmography, Rhetoric, Heraldry, Versification, and of course, History, with a little Law, Physic, Alchemy, and Astronomy. Of Magic he learned only the ehtory, for Doctor Cornelius said the practical part was not proper study for princes. “And I myself,” he added, “am only a very imperfect magician and can do only the smallest experiments.” Of Navigation (”which is a noble and heroical art” said the Doctor) he was taught nothing, because King Miraz disappoved of ships and the sea.”

But it also seems to me that Latin is part of your life. As is mythology so teaching these things isn’t just unschooly in practice but also in content. All of our lives are different. And who knows how you would react if a child really strongly objected to some of the areas you wanted them to be working in and had a real passion for something you might not otherwise spend much time on.
Personally, I think that defining unschooling as no structure at all (which many do) is a misinterpretation of the term. As I see it “schooling” is a specific combination of things that include not only content but also certain forms of discipline and organization of learning. There are a lot of ways to facilitate children’s learning that do not conform to “schooling” and could thus be called “unschooling”.
So the fact that we encourage (or even require) certain subjects and ask our kids to spend 20 minutes a day on some of them is quite different from an approach that thinks that “school” just take so many hours a day all of which are pretty structured, with a set scope and sequence for subjects, etc.
As for whether you are “latin centred”, that seems like as good a label as any. Though my impression is that your faith is more of the centre, and the latin is part of that.
I wanted to say something similar to Jove’s comment. I think of unschooling as something like Frank Smith’s model (The Book of Learning & Forgetting) - the children primarily absorb interests and knowledge from the people around them rather than studying in an intentional way. Your children are absorbing many of your passions (many of which are Latin centered) and drawing from your knowledge. All of it (your interest in unschooling and your classical leanings) seem to fit together seamlessly. Hope that made sense.
Thanks for those good points. I am not sure where I got the notion that unschooling had to work a certain way, but it has been hard to dismiss, even though I’ve read John Holt and Frank Smith and so many others.